Safe to buy?

[pixelboi01]

With the new ToS for the recent hacked accounts event that just went on with FFXI, is it safe to still buy accounts that do not come with the CD keys? Im not sure what/when they are implementing the new terms but i hear its going to make it pretty easy for people to take back thier accounts after being hacked.

Now obviously the account you buy isnt obtained by you hacking it and taking it, but buying it. This SE does not know to be true tho, and if you buy an account from someone without the CD keys, then the original owner is able to just call up SE with thier keys, and the original CC used for billing and change the pw on you.

*Note: This is all speculation as far as lastnight, so im not really sure (dont think anyone is) what the new ToS will comprise of. Or if this will be true or not.

This is just a concern of mine im having because Id like to buy an account but now im getting affraid to >.>;;

[mrjon2k]

actually i called SE yesterday to try and get my account my friend took from me. They said that even though I had the all the cd-keys they couldn't reset the pw without having the current CC and address. hope this helps

[kendrah1]

SE's policy is still in effect, and they have no plans to change it according to a response back to a BBB complaint I've read recently. They still claim that all accounts are the responsibility of the owners.

FFXI is one of the most difficult games to get banned in. Just short of cursing out loud in the middle of Jeuno or Whitegate, your about as safe as it gets. The task force is a joke, and personally I think it's all a ploy to keep premiums coming in. When people quit, companies lose revenue, therefore it's not in SE's interest to keep banning people dispite consistant account sales.

In FFXI, when people get banned, they quit. In WoW, people come back on new characters. The reason is because it can take up to a year to level a character to 75 in FFXI, but only 3 weeks in WoW. Banning people in FFXI is bad for business, in WoW, it's extremely good for the company as people will recreate new accounts and be back on par in only a few weeks.

In regards to FFXI, I've sold a significant amount of currency over my career, enough that it doesn't register in numeric value inside the game without rolling over, along with numerous accounts. I can tell you first hand it's almost impossible to get banned in that game. Buy away.

[pixelboi01]

kendrah is my heroe lol. I should get into this buisness -.-;;

[Heiken]

Much safer as a seller, and you also don't ever have to worry about an account you sell being recalled and having an angry buyer at your doorstep. Most of the accounts floating around these days are all cd-keyless (meaning, the people selling them generally aren't the original owner anyways). I prefer it a lot to WoW~

[pixelboi01]

Id like to turn everyones attention to this thread:
http://www.ckgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3312

As far as what im getting, is what I posted at the bottom of that threads replys. Can anyone confirm this?

[Heiken]

Hi guys, I just wanted to share a bit of information with everyone regarding the new account retrieval process that SE has available. After having the account locked down SE will personally send the original owner (or whoever is trying to recall the account) a notary form:



What this means is that there is -no way- anyone but the original owner will be able to recall an account. This also means that if you have any way to prove your case (a signed documentary or Paypal records for example) that the account was SOLD to you, then you should be safe. Please note this on the document:

Under Penalty of Perjury under the laws of (insert nation of residence)

This means that if the recaller is caught lying, he/she could be in DEEP shit. The USA in particular takes perjury very seriously, and you can and probably will be thrown into jail for 3+ years if the buyer can prove his case that it was sold to him.

**DO NOT LIE AND TEMPT THE LAW WITH THIS, 3+ YEARS IN PRISON IS NOT WORTH IT**

Hopefully this helps ease some people's minds.

[kendrah1]

The document is questionable.

First, anyone with sufficient enough info can have the account put on hold. You don't actually have to be the original owner, as it can be anyone with enough info to satisfy the temp hold policy. This can include people you lend your account to as well, so long as they were able to pull off enough original information from the account to meet their level of satisfaction.

Secondly, if I understand the law properly, you are only held accountable "under perjury" for official government or law enforcement/branch entities. SE is soley a venture business, therefore their entity does not fall into offical government status, unless they are considering the notary part of that status. While it is unethical, and there's no way I could see taking the risk to find out if this would hold up in court, most forms use wording "Truthful to the best of my knowledge/ability".

I think the document has an intimidating effect, I don't know if it would hold in court if it even made it that far, but I know that it would be stupid to risk an action by signing it falsely. I would bet that SE is betting the same thing. But, then again, I'm sure they had lawyers on this, so it might actually hold up.

[Heiken]

Originally Posted by kendrah1

Secondly, if I understand the law properly, you are only held accountable "under perjury" for official government or law enforcement/branch entities. SE is soley a venture business, therefore their entity does not fall into offical government status, unless they are considering the notary part of that status. While it is unethical, and there's no way I could see taking the risk to find out if this would hold up in court, most forms use wording "Truthful to the best of my knowledge/ability".

I think the document has an intimidating effect, I don't know if it would hold in court if it even made it that far, but I know that it would be stupid to risk an action by signing it falsely. I would bet that SE is betting the same thing. But, then again, I'm sure they had lawyers on this, so it might actually hold up.

Well, I've always thought of "Perjury" to be lying on any form of sworn, notarized written document in addition to government / law enforcement entities. With Perjury being a crime at all (e.g. similar to BURGLARY), it won't be SE that will be fighting you in court, but rather, your home country / state. All SE needs to do is submit sufficient evidence (someone contesting your claim, signed documentary, Paypal or any form of payment records, etc) to your nation's residential police that you lied on the notarized form and they'll be the ones taking you to court for criminal charges.

People might read this and say "lol, intangible goods serious business", but the truth of the matter is that Perjury is a CRIME and has nothing to do with mmorpgs or virtual accounts.

EDIT: Right, totally forgot to include that I am basing this entirely on USA/JP laws. I have no idea how this would work in say, Germany.

[Infamous Flame]

Whether perjury would hold up outside of the obvious (lying to a judge etc.) would depend on national and state laws, but I certainly wouldn't tempt fate on it without proper legal advice.